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Climate Change Therapy - Ep. 7 - Z Nalywayko and A Cooke

Welcome back to Climate Change Therapy, the podcast where we practice the dark, difficult art of talking about climate change in social situations amongst friends. On today's episode (2/24/19), Hank welcomes back fellow urban planner and BlockRadius contributor Z Nalywayko to the show, as well as world-renowned architect A Cooke, who makes his podcast-record third appearance. The trio talks about all things climate change and unrelated topics, including:

5:30 – current events related to climate change, such as the Green New Deal, Dianne Feinstein, and the 2020 Democratic candidates

14:00 – that time Hank met Cory Booker

20:15 – Amazon pulling out of New York

27:40 – “IKEA architecture”

29:50 – the Disneyland-ification of Venice

35:30 – the conversion of churches into housing and beer gardens

38:00 – a forced return to the subject of climate change, beginning with windmills

44:00 – the increasing importance of batteries in the 21st century and if lithium/cobalt will be the new oil

48:15 – a debate about whether or not perpetual motion machines are possible, including the point that robots dying on Mars before people is proof that anything is possible, and the counterpoint that the Heat Death Theory is a thing

1:00:00 – imagining you are a “third eye” looking down on Earth, and another heated debate…

1:03:00 – the legacy of humanity

1:10:45 – brainstorming a climate change joke

1:13:20 – a little bit we like to call: “Given climate change, where would you buy property?”

1:22:25 – the classic lottery hypothetical

1:27:20 – Z tells a little story about how plants can think

1:31:15 – thinking and breathing

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